Markus Müller

Markus

Guten Abend. Ich bitte um Entschuldigung, heute in Deutsch. Principal: Wir sprechen nicht über Gefahr oder Dinge die nicht funktionieren, wir sprechen über Dinge, die funktionieren. Der Winden-Start ist die sicherste Start-Art weltweit, die es gibt. Der Start mit Elektro-Motor ist die sicherste Variante überhaupt. Zur Information: Es gab bei unserer ESW 2B in 2002...2004 keine Seilkraft-Regelung unter 300 dN, das ist Geschichte, wir haben 2009... Jede ESW 2B, JEDE ! hat heute eine Regelung bis unter 150 dN. Das bedeutet, K 8...Grunau-Baby...Air-Cadet...alle Oldtimer...FOX...ohne Probleme. ( Unfälle sind Material- oder NACHGEWIESENE Piloten-Fehler ) Unsere ESW-2B kann sehr viel. Bitte nehmen Sie sich eine konsequente formation, es lohnt sich. Die ESW 2B hat über 1000 "buttons", man muß sie nur kennen.... __________________ Ein sehr wichtiges Thema ist die " formation principal ". In Deutschland bedeutet das min. 100 décollages/min. 10 Tage. _________________ Es ist absolut richtig, Einflüsse wie Seiten-Wind und weitere Faktoren sind zu beachten. ABSOLUT RICHTIG, das ist der Unterschied zum Flugzeug-Schlepp. Bitte zu beachten: Es gibt verschiedene Systeme. - Diesel - Benzin - Hydraulik - Elektrisch Diese Systeme sind sehr verschieden, wenn ein Pilot ein Seil bekommt, soll er wissen: Welches Seil ist das ??? Wie ist die Seilkraft ??? Bitte, auch immer um ein gutes Briefing, JEDEN MORGEN... Welcher Pilot ? Welche Winde ? Welches Flugzeug ? Kennt der Pilot sein Flugzeug ? Vielen Dank, Markus

le première comtetition dans le monde voltige avec treuil est terminée avec succès. www.kfao.de Markus

Guten morgen Yurek, Du bist aber lange in der Nacht unterwegs... Es gibt viele Trommeln, die für 3000 m ausgelegt sind, allerdings sind die Trommeln von St.Flo NICHT dafür NICHT ausgelegt, diese Trommeln sind noch von der ersten Generation und sollten nicht für 3000 m genommen werden. Unsere Voltige-Trommeln sind für 3200 m uneingeschränkt ausgelegt, mit denen machen wir schon seit 2 Jahren Kunstflug. Übrigends der Rekord wurde nicht in Europa gemacht, der wurde in Neuseeland oder in Australien gemacht und hatte eine Ausklink-Höhe von ca. 3000 m !! Da müssen wir uns noch anstrengen... Wie weit bist Du mit Deiner Strom-Version ? Gruß, Markus

Information: Depuis 2 ans nous avons des bobines pour 3 km. Le treuil de St le Flo n'a pas de bobines pour 3 km ! Markus

Cette année les producteurs du EW2B (le treuil électrique allemand) sont venus avec des nouvelles bobines, mieux dimensionnées et renforcées pour la tâche. _____________________________________ Pardon Yurek, dit moi, ce sont les vieux tambours ou nouveaux de nous ? Avec les vieux tambours il n'est pas bien... Pour 3000 m nous avons des bobines forte, mais en France toutes les bobines sont surlement pour 2000 m... Réponde Yurek. Markus

Précaution, pour 3000 m cable on nécessite les tambours forts. Markus

Cochstedt ist vorbei und war ein toller Lehrgang Hier ein paar Zahlen: - 166 Windenstarts, 166 décollages avec le treuil electrique - 41 Teilnehmer aus 8 Bundesländern, sowie aus Belgien und den Niederlanden - Ausklinkhöhen zw. 850- 1300 m Atitudes contre 850 - 1300 m (leider keine guten Windverhältnisse, sowie zu früh öffnende Kupplungen) pas de bonnes relations de vent Voir sous: www.kfao.de Markus

Peut-être ainsi ? Bla bla bla bla - Bla bla bla - :wacko: + Niveau dans le forum + Vérité dans le forum = paix _____________ Markus

Yurek, nuit maintenant pour toi, mais pour cela peu de mots sont également... J'ai entendu assez ici. elektrostart@aol.com Markus

dans les obligations de Pascal, en tant que Président de la Commission Treuil, il y a la défense des intérêts des clubs, pas de ceux des fabricants Yurek, ich habe lange mit Gabi gesprochen. Es ist richtig, Du machst bis jetzt nichts konkretes oder nachweisliches gegen mich, das betone ich hier öffentlich, es ist Pascal. ( naja, sei ehrlich...etwas schon ? aber wir beide können noch miteinander telefonieren und ich würde Dich noch besuchen, den anderen Jungen nicht mehr ) Er könnte als Präsident das Relais zwischen den Kunden und dem Hersteller sein, aber wenn er mit falschen Tatsachen kommt, soll er das einfach lassen und unsere Kunden in Ruhe lassen. Diese Lügen oder alte Sachen von vor 2-3 Jahren, schon lange nicht mehr aktuell, immer noch verteilen und das im Jahre 2008 !!! das ist nicht in Ordnung und muß ein Ende bekommen. Er soll es einfach lassen. Ich habe auch keine Lust auf längere Kämpfe, das ist kindisch. Wir wollen arbeiten und nicht kämpfen. Markus

Peut être n'as t il vendu que 8 treuils en France a cause d'une éventuelle désinformation sur son dos?! Junior, exactement. 100 %. Merci beaucoup.

La vie de Dyneema 5 mm + / - 2300 dN : 1500...2500 décollages. Des parchutes tournant sont poison pour Dyneema. Markus

Bonjour Jaques, I don´t want to fight, but Pascal began before 2 years a wrong play, should I say nothing ? I only want the truth, not more. My character is not to like fights. I only want to see the truth ! Markus

Bonjour Jaques, excuse me, but since more than 2 years Pascal makes unserious promotion against us, more than 2 years we ´ve made nothing against this, but now it is too much, I must say something. Pascal: Mais je promets ne jamais être passé dans le club allemand qui a eu 8 pannes successives As I know you´ve killed the brakes in ST FLO self with your tractor ! or not Pascal ? an answer please ??? 2 or 3 mécanics in germany were killed from the winch-drivers by turning the engine too high and try to connect the gear, this peoble spoke with us about this. In this cases the customer had to pay. For the other I must ask Ulbrich-Industrieelektronik, there were more customer´s fault, I don´t know all about this, but Pascal, not 8 mecanics were crashed simply so... That is, what I mean. You are writing letters and CD´S AND ALL PEOPLE BELEEVE IT; BECAUSE THEY DON´T KNOW THE TRUTH !!! Yes, there were some technical problems on the first winches before more 2 years, but on BOTH SIDES ! But not so, like Pascal it shows. No. I am here in germany and have no chance to say something against this. Pascal: chaque fois que je passe dans un club , il y a un crash . Pascal Jouanard, excuse me, YES Arcachon, Puivert, Roanne. After this I was in France 3000 km and I´ve made formation in Puivert, Arcachon and Roanne. While this formation I´ve seen, that on every aérodrome was the same problem:In the last part of the décollage they have had problems to use the winch.This is no problem of the winch, this you also can have with thermic-winches.This is a result of bad or no formation. Pascal, do you pay this week and this 3000 kilometers ??? Clubs, customers and all, please excuse this all here in this forum, but I can´t listen to Pascal Jouanard and give no answer for this. Some of Pascal´s informations are not true. I think, minimum 50 % in this letters and CD´s are not true and I try to search a way to have a chance to change this situation, wich I not have produced. I would like to read this letters and CD´s, but I don´t have this informations. As seller I make demonstrations ( I think, my work is o.k. ), the contract, the formations and before 2 years I´ve had a lot of friends and invitations for holidays and nice evenings and a lot of nice flights and a lot of privat weeks in France, but today the situation is changed. Pascal is a friend from Yurek, Yurek sells MEL-winches, the market is a little but a good market, soo good, that I can have 1 or 2 worker´s the next year, it´s a market for a lot of money, everybody knows it. For this we´ve worked 10 years !!! This has Yurek and Pascal seen and the onliest way for them is a war against us. From beginning in ST FLO Pascal have had an idea... But poeple who makes things like this have a problem... This war they make with letters, CD´s, meetings, what else...we have no chance against such things, this is absolutly unserious. This is a economic-war from his best side, like a film. Who don´t see this, is blind. For questions: elektrostart@aol.com Markus ___________________ NB: http://www.directindustry.fr/prod/siemens-...064-133801.html This is a good way, Junior. Junior,this with the documentes they make in China, but not in Europe. You can be shure, that since more than 2 years all electronics are in best condition. Now it is possible to make more than 25 décollages with the ASH 25 / hour and air-temperature with 40 degrées. No crash is possible and if we have under 340 volts, the winch don´t crash now the winch only stops. Markus

Quel niveau... I told you, please take the thruth. Markus

En génerale: for information...today it´s the 1.3.2008. Our electrical problems were in 2006 ! In germany we have only pistes with + / - 1000 meters and ASK 21, K13, K8... In France we have pistes with 1400 meters, 1600 meters and Nimbus, Duo, ASH 25...38 dégrées... so our electronic crashed. 6 weeks later they were all repared and modified with a new verry intelligent electronic. Without facture. This product is since 2006/7 a verry nice serial product, in the moment we produce the no. 21. In the case of 4 or 5 terrains we´ve foundet only 340 volts, not 400 volts. In one case we´ve founded over 600 volts ! Pascal, this is true ! Every machine must stop in this case before crash. Fault of Markus Müller ??? I know, that you are in partnership with Yurek and MEL, but it is not a reason to play this play. Every product has a debut, but you must make a different between producer´s fault and customer´s fault. This you have to tell in a correct art of whise in this forum. In the industrie people like you would have a big problem... But let´s speak about my " friend ". He told me in 2006 to make the formations for the new customers. A DESASTER. Roanne CRASH Arcachon CRASH Puivert CRASH did you ever visit Puivert ? NO. Turbo-formation in StFLO... A correct formation is to make for min. 2 days, maybe more. But you´ve standed 15 meters away from the winch! The winch-driver made 7 starts ( without your help ) and after CRASH in Roanne you said: " this is now the problem of Markus Müller " and flying home ( with the money of the FED ? ) And...also the fault of Markus Müller ? This formation is not complicate but verry verry important and no play, like all for you is a play. We all know, you wantet do be " treuil-electric-france " in 2006, but this is not possible, excuse me. Be realistic and THRULY !!! Also I want to have a chance to speak about this things, but while you makes your play, it needs some time...But this is not correct for your french colleques and friends and your clubs. Markus

BKR, I agree with you. We have 19 winches in work, more than 60´000 décollages...maybe more than 70´000. All this customers you can contact to ask of their experiences. Contacts I´ll give you after demande. What I need: The letters and CD´s from the FED and Pascal Jouanard and all documentes where is written somthing about us or our product as original or as copy to follow adress: anonym is also o.k.... Markus Müller Kleine Solmser Straße 18 b D - 35510 Butzbach allemagne

Bonjour Philipe Olive, pardon, but I didn´t begin with this all. I am answering in defense !!! Since 2 years I get realy attac, but that is not o.k. Puivert was realy not nice, but this were decisions from Ulbrich-Ibdustrieelektronik. Who has questions for this can mail to me and he´ll get an answer. Who don´t ask me, has not the right informations. Please here first BOTH sides ! Only read this letters from the centre and from the Bourgogne and see this CD´s is not enough. Ask me please. Markus

Hello Pascal, I try to hold it short. If I have a car out of guarantie and I want to change for example the brakes or the clutch, I have 3 possibilities: - I let change it at the garage. - I change it with the help of a worker in my garage - I change it for myself, if I know how ! Now we take the winch of St.Flo. We have 3 possibilities: - You let change the brakes from Ulbrich-Industrieelektronik - You change it with the help of one of our mécanisien - You change it in St.Flo for yourself...if you know how ! You´ve told us, the winch has made 12´000 décollages, as I know, the winch has made more, nearly 18´000 décollages or more. For this I am not shure, it was an information from a friend. In this case changing brakes is too early, but o.k., maybe it must be done... As I know Ulbrich-Industrieelektronik told you to let change the brakes in germany. As I know, you wanted to make it for yourself. Now please from me to you Pascal: Please don´t kill your winch ! Also please: Be realistic and true with your informations in future ! Excuse me, but that is the reality. I hope, that we will have a change of this situation as soon as possibel. Markus Müller _______________________________ Markus Müller Kleine Solmser Straße 18 b D - 35510 Butzbach Tel.: 06033 - 72461 Fax: 06033 - 747348 mobil: 0178 - 28 20 818 elektrostart@aol.com www.elektrostartwinde.de ________________________________

discussion sur les treuils MEL ait été piraté par la concurrenceHello Pascal,excuse me one time more, you must learn to find the right words.I´ve told yesterday : The truth is coming soon.We´ve had visit from MEL here in germany and we´ve had a verry long discussion.The reality and truth is another than in your mind.I´ve also told you last year: Against us is not possible, only WITH US TOGETHER or nothing.And also think about the fact, that this marked is verry sensible. All what are you doing has a follow.You can continue to speak like a pope,you can send 1000 CD´s,you can send 1000 letters with sometimes hard words against us,but it would be fairly if you would have the possibility to answer of this.Think about this and I hope, you´ll change your way, because it begins to be dangerous for you.It is your decision, what are you doing the next time.Markusbut it would be fairly if you would have the possibility to answer of this.Oh... If WE would have the possiblity to answer.

@ Yurek ??? Markus

I know this niveau from other forums...not fine...

je sais, domage..Markusnuisent, malheureusement1 or 2 days seems reasonnable. 2 weeks cant be acceptable in "spring/summer" times.I suggest in cases of severes issues of club-winch, you sould have a proposal like a second winch ( free or rent) for repairing-period.Michel,I hope, that this problems are history.If we realy would have a support or reparation, we´ll work as fastest as possible.The electronic is made after 24 hours, mecanical problems would need about 2 weeks.For example changing the brakes:about 10 days and roundabout 1500,- - 1700,- €.We´ve modified also the mecanic and I think, now we have a " long-life-winch ".Normaly we don´t have a winch for rent, but I could speak with Jürgen from Ulbrich-Industrieelektronik for this, we have the demonstration-winch.Also in the next time you could speak with our customer´s about their experiences.If you have some questions, tell me.All what you get per mail from me, you can publier.Markus

Oh, bonjour Pascal. Could I have also this CD ? Thank you verry much, Markus _______________________ take this adress: Markus Müller Kleine Solmser Straße 18 b D - 35510 Butzbach